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chris
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« on: July 14, 2011, 09:29:21 PM »

are you rich? before you answer that question, hold off for a moment. because regardless of whether you say yes or no, a lot of people are going to disagree with you.

over the next 18 months, you will be hearing politicians, pundits and pollsters debating the definition of "rich". as congress contemplates various ways to close the federal budget gap, you'll hear more and more people arguing over who should pay what in our efforts to shore up america's foundering fiscal flotilla. which leads to two questions: who are the rich? and are you among them?

in tax terms, at least, the u.s. government sees you as rich if you earn $379,150 or more a year. that is the cutoff point for the highest tax bracket. but personal income tax is a pretty poor barometer of rich. a single guy pulling down a buck and a quarter in fargo is pretty well off by any definition; a married fellow with four kids making the same amount in queens is going to suffer many a restless night calculating what the cost of college tuition will be in 2025.

which brings us to the real definition of rich, and one of the reasons money was even invented in the first place: to cure the problem of stress. early man had no money and, hence, plenty of stress. he had to hunt his own game, build his own tent, break his own horses, carry his own water, and defend himself against the barbarian hordes - every single day. freakin' stressful. so man invented money, which allowed him to pay butchers, roofers, auto mechanics, plumbers and divorce attorneys to do all these things for him. money releived the stress caused by the battle to survive.

or at least it was supposed to. but at some point we forgot that money was created to relieve stress, and instead began to see money as a source of stress. like junkies, we turned a trifle invented for relaxation into a personal slave driver. we began to plot and plan and scheme about how to gain more of it. we began to measure our worth as men in monetary terms, a brutal and unforgiving game (especially since most of us start the game from the first tee but still have to compete with those who were born on the 18th green).

money is not a measure of personal wealth. nor is it some magical get-out-of misery-free card. money is medicine - stress medicine - to be applied the way you take aspirin to cure a headache. gathering up more of it than you need doesn't soothe the hurt any better. all you need is just the right dose for whatever ails you.

the bottom line, is...money can, in fact, buy you relief from stress. it isn't much good for any other purpose. a lot of money won't buy you love, it won't buy you respect, and it sure won't buy you happiness, any more than a lot of aspirin will buy you happiness.

but it is a heck of a lot easier to be happy when you don't have a headache.

   

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« Reply #1 on: July 15, 2011, 11:13:34 AM »

or at least it was supposed to. but at some point we forgot that money was created to relieve stress, and instead began to see money as a source of stress. like junkies, we turned a trifle invented for relaxation into a personal slave driver. we began to plot and plan and scheme about how to gain more of it. we began to measure our worth as men in monetary terms, a brutal and unforgiving game (especially since most of us start the game from the first tee but still have to compete with those who were born on the 18th green).

money is not a measure of personal wealth. nor is it some magical get-out-of misery-free card. money is medicine - stress medicine - to be applied the way you take aspirin to cure a headache. gathering up more of it than you need doesn't soothe the hurt any better. all you need is just the right dose for whatever ails you.


Yep.  I could go on for hours about this.  Hours.  I don't even know where to start.  I mean I can't even comment.  Society in America has really become warped in its views on money and beauty.  ...don't even know where to start.   

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« Reply #2 on: July 15, 2011, 02:49:17 PM »

Greg, I've witnessed the unachievable pursuit of cash with my own eyes. My very own brother, whom I used to work with (in a cush job with plenty of paid down time, and no boss looking over your shoulder) left in the pursuit of a higher payday. He now makes a little more money (although he has to work 7 days a week to do it, and has to do crazy heavy manuel labor as well)...but he is miserable. Except he doesn't seem to know it. A few extra dollars in your paycheck is not worth peace of mind and a dash of happiness.
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« Reply #3 on: July 15, 2011, 03:52:19 PM »

If it's a matter of time vs. money for me I take time every time.  How many days do we get to be on this earth?  I drive a car that is Bluebook value $298.  It gets me around this small college town.  I could work all summer and get money to do this to the house or get a better car, etc.  Nope. 

Again, I could go on and on.  I hope my kids don't sacrifice their lives trying to get more money and more money and more money...only to find out at some point that it just isn't worth it and doesn't mean what they thought it meant.

We all like stuff; I like stuff.  But I'm not gonna sacrifice all my time to get it.  I see friends who work in the mines or at the prison, and they take overtime hours every week.  They have acquired some really cool stuff, but it never ends man.  It never ends.
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« Reply #4 on: July 15, 2011, 03:55:50 PM »

If it's a matter of time vs. money for me I take time every time.  How many days do we get to be on this earth?  I drive a car that is Bluebook value $298.  It gets me around this small college town.  I could work all summer and get money to do this to the house or get a better car, etc.  Nope. 

Again, I could go on and on.  I hope my kids don't sacrifice their lives trying to get more money and more money and more money...only to find out at some point that it just isn't worth it and doesn't mean what they thought it meant.

We all like stuff; I like stuff.  But I'm not gonna sacrifice all my time to get it.  I see friends who work in the mines or at the prison, and they take overtime hours every week.  They have acquired some really cool stuff, but it never ends man.  It never ends.

Is one definition of rich:  Rich is being able to afford everything you want.  If that's a definition of rich then I'm pretty much rich.  There really isn't much I want that I don't have that I really couldn't have.  Can I afford a Mercedes?  No, but I don't want a Mercedes.

What is this?  Did I just quote myself? !!!
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« Reply #5 on: July 15, 2011, 09:06:15 PM »

As usual, an interesting and though provoking topic from chris.  When I had my own business back in the 90's, I worked 8 days a week.(I know, I had to do it..the beatle connection I mean) I had it in my head...just work hard and good things will happen. I did that for 11 years and my employee's made more money than I did, and they only worked 40 hrs a week while I was working 100 +.  I had one young guy working for me in the summers who did as little as possible all day. ( Never hire a friends son) I used to say to him....could you clean up the jobsite if you don't have anything to do for the time being? His answer was always...I'll clean up when we're done. Why clean it more than once? I would say...well...because that's why you're here? And he'd say...hmm?....isn't it better to work smart instead of hard?  It really pissed me off, BUT...he was right. It took me 11 years to figure that out. So, I got completely burnt out and I hate my trade now. Hate is too soft a word. Trouble is...I made 4 grand last week doing what I hate. Should I go work for minimum wage some place? It would take me 3-4 months to make 4 grand. So...I've decided to do as my illustrious helper told me all those years ago. Work smart, not hard. I'm past wanting stuff. The more you work, the more you feel you deserve "stuff" and then you just work even more to pay for it. Vicious circle.
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« Reply #6 on: July 15, 2011, 09:39:37 PM »

Trouble is...I made 4 grand last week doing what I hate.

listen up, pal...sounds like someone i know is offering a couple of cases of ice cold molsen. just tell me when to be there, i can at the very least bring a bottle opener  kiss  you can tell dr chris all about those things that you hate.

and welcome back, sir
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« Reply #7 on: July 15, 2011, 10:52:49 PM »

Hey, I like you. No way do I serve my friends Molson.  beer puke knock
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« Reply #8 on: July 16, 2011, 11:14:56 AM »

You know what's weird?  If, instead of a person working 4 hours of overtime, that person lightly exercised for 1 hour and just relaxed for the other three they would enjoy the last couple decades of their life more.  Money wouldn't mean crap at that point.  They would be happy to enjoy the health they had.  They also would have had a less stressful four hours which is just better for a human.  If a person did this for years instead of the overtime it would have to make a difference.  And please, please, please, yes, I am aware of the "You could go at anytime."  You could also go later than you thought you'd go. 

The congress and the senate passed a 35-hour workweek in the 30's.  Roosevelt vetoed it.  I think he later said he regretted that decision.  I thought many Europeans used to strike for...not more money but fewer hours in the workweek. 

I'll take a Beck's if you're going out 2. 
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« Reply #9 on: July 16, 2011, 12:00:25 PM »

in an effort to keep this narrative...family friendly, i will choose my words carefully. about five years ago, i had...ass problems. nothing too serious, but it did result in a surgery in a place that i can most assure, you'ld rather not have it be. about the same time my father was diagnosed with colon cancer. which translates to...eventually, i will probably end up with more ass problems. i was 38 at the time. excercizing meant walking to the fridge to get another beer. that all changed. i eat better, tons more fish, less red meat. actually eating my vegetables. and i work out now. lift weights, jog and never ever refuse a chance to play sports if invited (i even walk the golf course instead of renting a cart)...point is...i'm being proactive in maybe, just maybe extending a longer healthier life.

i have had ample opportunity to work longer hours and bring home a bigger paycheck. but it would be in place of doing what i do now. greg, you are spot on. all the money in the world won't extend your days as much as living a healthier lifestyle. and you can go at any time. the important thing is to live your days on your terms. as healthy and as stress free as you can (or you choose).

too bad we had to get older to realize money is not the end all. it is nice, but it isn't necessary. and the more you realize you can be happy without...or...without much, that is...the sooner you will realize that all you need to make you happy actually have nothing to do with having money. friends and family are there for you even if you don't get that raise, or that bonus check.

i should send you guys a check, or something. it is almost theraputic talking to you guys. but since we are going on and on about how money doesn't matter, maybe the beer will be on me.
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« Reply #10 on: July 16, 2011, 07:14:40 PM »

Apparently I have an ass problem too, though mine is attributed to my personality.  laughing
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« Reply #11 on: July 17, 2011, 07:55:50 AM »

..which brings us to the real definition of rich, and one of the reasons money was even invented in the first place: to cure the problem of stress. early man had no money and, hence, plenty of stress. he had to hunt his own game, build his own tent, break his own horses, carry his own water, and defend himself against the barbarian hordes - every single day. freakin' stressful. so man invented money, which allowed him to pay butchers, roofers, auto mechanics, plumbers and divorce attorneys to do all these things for him. money releived the stress caused by the battle to survive.

or at least it was supposed to. but at some point we forgot that money was created to relieve stress, and instead began to see money as a source of stress. like junkies, we turned a trifle invented for relaxation into a personal slave driver. we began to plot and plan and scheme about how to gain more of it. we began to measure our worth as men in monetary terms, a brutal and unforgiving game (especially since most of us start the game from the first tee but still have to compete with those who were born on the 18th green).

That's a big assumption to make, that early man were stressed out. Sure, it would've been tough.. but stressful, who can say for sure! Look at any tribal/family-based society and the duties expected of people and you'll see they are relatively happy with themselves. Perhaps not every individual, but there's no denying that an agarian resource-based economy is a lot more laid-back than the Western rat-race.

It's interesting, even early America was founded by colonists printing their own money and it wasn't until the Rothschilds' takeover of America (along with the Rockefellers) that the mad obsession with chasing the dollar spiraled out of control. It was Mayer Rothschild whom said in 1790: "Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws." They cleverly started a false rumour regarding the Battle of Waterloo to crash the British stock market and took over the Bank of England. Some American presidents were killed for fighting the Rothschilds agendas, beginning with Abraham Lincoln. In 1881, President James A. Garfield stated two weeks before he was assassinated:

 “Whoever controls the volume of money in our country is absolute master of all industry and commerce…and when you realize that the entire system is very easily controlled, one way or another, by a few powerful men at the top, you will not have to be told how periods of inflation and depression originate.”

Their masterstroke was in 1913, ushering in the Federal Reserve Act while most congressmen were on Christmas vacation. The Rothschilds now had complete control of the American government finances, and hence total world domination now within their grasp. The irony is, the Federal Reserve is neither federal (it is privately owned by the Rothschilds), nor does it have any reserves. Fractional reserve banking is why powerful elites have everything, and the rest of us have nothing (well, some of us feel like we have *some* security, yet as shown by this thread, still feel hollow, cheated and dissatisfied by the system).

This is a GREAT page on the history of the Rothschilds, laid out on an easy-to-read timeline, and tells us the TRUE history of the last couple of hundred years on this planet. - http://www.iamthewitness.com/DarylBradfordSmith_Rothschild.htm - it's a good one to bookmark and keep coming back to.. passing it on to anyone searching for answers as to why the world is imploding financially.. as well as emotionally and spiritually - the worship of 'money' (avarice, as they say in the Bible) is the root of all evil, and it's so true. Many of us are finally realising this.. it's like a giant wall coming down and a huge wake-up call too.

I think the current financial system as it stands (fractional reserve, people profiting off 'invisible dollars' in the bond markets, speculators, compound interest - all of this which I think is fraudulent and has no place in ANY society) needs to be killed off.

So what do we replace it with? There's a documentary 'Zeitgeist: Addendum' which refers to The Venus Project which visualises a resource-based utopia where we already have everything we need in abundance, because of free energy technologies that have held us back for the last hundred years (Nikola Tesla had technology that produced energy from thin air like pulling in radio waves, only to have his work dismantled and destroyed by the likes of JP Morgan, Thomas Edison, Henry Ford, Westinghouse, Albert Einstein, the Rockefellers - all these big names rallying against him to protect their big oil industries -  otherwise they would suddenly lose the ability to charge every person and every industry for electricity/fuel use.).

Most people also don't realise that our ability to earn and function in society has been deliberately compromised by certain agendas introduced by the likes of the Rockefellers in the guise of a 'noble and a just cause'. One of them being the rise of feminism and women's rights movement. Sounds good, right? Sounds fair? I used to think 'yeah - right on!' UNTIL, I watched an interview on YouTube featuring the late Aaron Russo talking about something Nick Rockefeller said to him. He said that they funded the feminist movement for two reasons:

1) To instantly double the tax take for government coffers. They can now tax the women as well as the working men!
2) To make the family unit now dependent on government rather than on themselves. To destroy the family unit - to give them ultimate control over the individual.

You can now see the effects of this agenda. We now need 2 incomes in a household just to survive, whereas it used to be just the man, while the mother stayed at home and looked after the children. Some women pursued a career (and that's good!), but in general, that was the way it was.. and it worked as a system! Now we have children put in childcare being looked after by strangers, that hardly see their parents because they're both working all day, or the stresses of this 'higher agenda'  has split them apart, and now dependent on welfare - which is EXACTLY what the elites wanted. We are all dependent on the government, and the banks - we have no individual control anymore - it's all been leveraged away from us.

These elites haven't been working hard.. they've been working SMART!  dirol

But I think this system as we know it is on its last legs. Our modern economy is geared around consumption loops - and if people no longer are buying, then they have no choice but to keep throwing more and more money into the system, creating more debt and dependency. But it's now got to the stage where people are struggling to survive, or enjoy life, even with all the credit being dished out everywhere. And with Monsanto owning all the seed patents, they can artificially create food shortages like money can be manipulated via controlled booms and recessions. More people are beginning to see through the veil now, and it could all come crashing down. Every day there's a debt crisis somewhere in the world. They can't just keep bailing countries out. The buck has to stop somewhere. I hope it does. Rip that band-aid off quick and get it over with! It will bleed a bit initially, but it will heal quicker in the long run with some fresh air around it!  beer   
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« Reply #12 on: July 17, 2011, 10:12:17 AM »

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otherwise they would suddenly lose the ability to charge every person and every industry for electricity/fuel use.). 

I'm glad you mentioned this. I'm all for renewable energy...but these giant wind farms going up everywhere really annoys me. Great, free energy we have to buy from some multi-national corporation. Terrific. How is that controlling our own destiny? Imagine if every home had a few solar panels on the roof, and this little bit of power was sent back to the grid everyday. Oh wait, that won't work....nobody makes any money doing that. But somebody would. If every family saved 100 dollars here and there, they would spend it elsewhere....and doesn't that stimulate the economy? The trouble is, a few people want all the money.  smileys7
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« Reply #13 on: July 17, 2011, 03:14:57 PM »


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Oh wait, that won't work....nobody makes any money doing that. But somebody would. If every family saved 100 dollars here and there, they would spend it elsewhere....and doesn't that stimulate the economy? The trouble is, a few people want all the money.

Brilliant and well-said.
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« Reply #14 on: July 17, 2011, 03:19:42 PM »

Kylenz...it's 94 degrees here...I've played back to back nights and have had no sleep...I'm tired and can barely get up to go get something to drink...that post was so long I didn't want to bother with it...

I am glad I did.  That was awesome.



My 2 cents; consumer capitalism, the way we know it, has either seen it's day or needs to change drastically.
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