Attack in Oslo

[EddieV]

I assume that you all have heard about this terrible incident, There was a time when something like this wouldn´t happen in my part of the world, but these times seems to be over. What comes next??

Really feeling sorry for our neighbour country.

[mervap]

Eddie, I share the feelings of sorrow for the citizens of Norway...the particulars of the attack are not well known to me, but any incident such as this just feels senseless.

[Greg]

I feel terrible about that event.  I wish there was some community effort that people could contribute to in order to help those who are suffering.

I don't watch any news but got stuck watching the first 10 minutes of CBS News a couple nights ago.  The news is still "Hey, guess what you guys!" as opposed to news.  Two of their three lead stories were Amy Winehouse and a mass murder in Europe.  It's terrible terrible to hear about that, but I don't know if it helps anything at all. 

They spent eight minutes on this sensationalism while not even mentioning anything about the 10-year wars overseas.  Also, there is a court case with Exxon-Mobile and a village in Indonesia that could be followed by the nightly news.  I think the exposure would put pressure on this company to come to some settlement with the village and also to help prevent such a thing from happening again.

Again, I am not discounting the tragic events.  If being informed about every detail of those events could help me in some way I'd understand, but they never mentioned anything.  50+ people are murdered in the U.S. everyday, but when it's a sensational story it's dwelled upon endlessly and for no apparent purpose.  I get it; a crazy guy shot people.  Tell me what I can do.  With something like the Exxon-Indonesia story I can boycott their product until they make good on the issue and support them after their efforts.

I wrote to the embassy of Norway asking if there is a way to help the victims and to express my sorrow for their tragedies.  If I hear back on how to help I will post.  I just think that when people of Norway hear that millions of messages have been coming in from citizens from around the world it will help in the sense that they know people care.  emb.washington@mfa.no is the address btw.

If you guys disagree on my angle here please post what you feel.  I have written a very biased outlook on a few subjects here.  Any criticism is totally understood on my part.

EDIT:  I heard back from the embassy.  There's nothing an American can do.  They appreciate the sentiment though and will pass the wishes along. 

[Kylenz]

Greg, I too have a viewpoint that may not immediately resonate with the majority, but deep down it probably does.

It isn't surprising that the media are ignoring the fact that this guy represents the Knights Templar, with the mission of inciting a holy war between the West and Islam. Looking deeper, the organisation who funded his YouTube video, Funcom, are high degree freemasons. And if you look at Albert Pike's 'Three World Wars' (Pike being a 33rd degree freemason who accurately described both WWI and WWII in 1871, hence not a prediction but a blueprint), the third war is supposed to be between Islamic and Zionist-controlled states (think of the Rothschilds span of control worldwide), this fellow is by no means not a single fundamentalist nutter acting alone like the media are portraying it - they are trying to get a 3rd World War started, especially with all the debt problems in the world they really are getting desperate to get something underway to clear the slate clean and pull the rug from under us again. This time, perhaps, to bring in the one world currency.

People are not looking hard enough into the masonic angle. When the story first broke, there was Anders Behring Breivik, pictured on the front page of the Daily Mail, in all his masonic regalia. There was the YouTube video. His ethos and what he stood for (the anti-Islam 'crusader'). Then you go to Albert Pike and read up on his Three World Wars and what causes the third world war. Then you read up on what Albert Pike had to say about the masonic religion itself, that it is the physical manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer. 'Lucifer', meaning the 'LIGHT-BEARER'. 'Illuminati' also means the same thing - they are the enlightened ones.. and the rest of us, all 99.999999% of us, are in the dark.

And it's so true. Most people are so in the dark, they're intent on just swallowing the whole "oh the gunman was a crazed loner loony who played violent videogames" thing, without trying to understand the deeper reasoning behind this. Already I've seen tv articles on it, asking the question "why would he do something like this" and always miss the point, they don't even scrape the surface (even though his manifesto was all over YouTube via that Funcom-developed video). They talk about the video, then simply come to the conclusion that oh he was just an extremist nutter - clearly they haven't done ANY proper research like a jornalist should've. Lazy lazy journalism.. and the viewers/readers remain in the dark.. without learning anything about the intention he was trying to create - a global backlash against Islam.

Think of all the other masons in history who have committed similar evils - John Wilkes Boothe, Timothy McVeigh, Saddam Hussein, Sirhan Sirhan, and possibly many others with ties to them. I'm not saying that all freemasons are evil - most do a lot of good for their communities and I honestly mean no offence to any masons reading my post. My grandfather was a mason, and he was a good man. I'm specifically talking about the higher degrees and the top of the pyramid supposedly goes well beyond the 33rd dregree and into realms of knowledge that would boggle our mind! 

I do feel for all the victims of the attack, and yes it's a terrible event and there's even a New Zealander still missing. It just frustrates me when people try to rationalise what the gunman did and why he would do such a thing, and when the evidence is laid out there for all to see, people still choose not to let it sink in for them. And then you get accused of being anti-mason and thus completely missing the point I was trying to make. I do think there's a deeper agenda at play here, more than we realise, and I mean no offence to anyone reading.

I also have no sympathy for the gunman. Anders Behring Breivik is a piece of trash. But so is the agenda and Luciferian beliefs backing him to the hilt. All I'm saying, is that he is not acting alone, like the media is trying to portray. Maybe he'll let that slip during his trial.. and then he will get assassinated Oswald / Jack Ruby style. It wouldn't surprise me. And that person who 'gets him' will be painted as a hero, standing up for humanity, when they are more likely to be simply trying to preserve their dirty secrets. Such is life.

[Greg]

Liked your post.  Very interesting.  I don't disagree with any of it. 

Our posts have a somewhat similar theme; the media is doing the world, actually, a disservice. 

And I'm posting my favorite section of your post below.  I'll have to search more for the other issues that you discussed.

..."why would he do something like this" and always miss the point, they don't even scrape the surface (even though his manifesto was all over YouTube via that Funcom-developed video). They talk about the video, then simply come to the conclusion that oh he was just an extremist nutter - clearly they haven't done ANY proper research like a jornalist should've. Lazy lazy journalism.. and the viewers/readers remain in the dark.. without learning anything about the intention he was trying to create - a global backlash against Islam...

[chris]

kyle, you are pretty spot on. it was totally an anti-islam thing. and he was even photographed with a knights templar outfit (as well as various military costumes) just before the rampage.

way to make a point, sick bastard...by killing innocents.

[Kylenz]

Yeah, I'm watching the RT news network now, and again they are confusing the whole issue, talking about how terrorists are normally Islamic and now we have a 'white guy' committing terror. There's a guy, Jim Hanson, discussing 'homeland security', talking about the continuing danger of Islamic terrorists to America, and the lady interviewing him is ditsy as they come! Arrgh it makes my blood boil! Mind you, she is also bringing up other 'white guy' enemies of the state such as Tim McVeigh, Jared Laughner and this guy is just writing them off as one-off nutters. Therefore, the Norwegian guy is no different.

Again, clouding the issue.. despite Anders Behring Breivik himself continuing to maintain he is part of a wider campaign, and yet the mass media is refusing to deeply investigate it. 

[Kylenz]

Wow, RT have done an in-depth interview bringing up the exact things I was talking about! Alex Jones has nailed it, he's spoken the truth that will likely never see the light of day on the other networks.. kudos to the news presenter who gave him a fair hearing, given how sensitive the topic is.

[chris]

i have to wonder...there are so many who think muslims are, by definition, evil (i, personally believe that the ratio of good to bad muslims is probably very similar to good to bad christians, jews, buddists, whatever...i think people are inherantly good. and you can't/shouldn't let the bad actions of a few ruin the good name of many). anyway, what if the person who did this horrible act was muslim? wouldn't there be an outcry of people saying...there goes another extremist muslim terrorist? i know there would be.

so i have to ask...

why do christians get a pass?

i'm not suggesting christians are bad people or that christianity is bad. but it is fairly obvious that if one religious group did something bad they get labelled. but if another does...?

[2 of 3]

I agree with you chris.....to a degree.....I just wish when somebody did something bad in the name of (insert deity of your choice)..that others of the same faith would denounce them. Staying virtually silent makes you wonder what the deal is.

[mervap]

why do christians get a pass?

i'm not suggesting christians are bad people or that christianity is bad. but it is fairly obvious that if one religious group did something bad they get labelled. but if another does...?

I think if we lived in Saudi Arabia or India, our point of view would differ.....I'm sure there are news outlets in those places that automatically label Christians while giving their own predominant religion a "pass".

[Greg]

Very interesting stuff.

If we understood better why they are willing to do what they do and they understood why we support these actions or those actions of our gov't, then we would have some real understanding.  I also think we'd have peace or a better chance at it.

I also think that Arab citizens and Western citizens alike would both see that those at the top are creating most of this mess over excess greed. 
It amazes me that those involved in Haliburton and the like are not content with making an absolute fortune but are looking for some questionable ways to make an even bigger amount than an absolute fortune.

As far as religion goes.  Most people put their religion second or just try to make their religion fit into their existing beliefs.  I've seen signs in a church that say Support the Troops.  Certainly there is more of a religious perspective to all of this than Support the Troops.