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The Big Guy
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« on: September 15, 2007, 11:40:55 PM »

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« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2007, 08:04:45 AM »

I didn't appreciate this album at the time. I was burned by Off The Ground. I heard the Young Boy single and in my mind I considered it just more toothless middle of the road fluff. I guess I went through a similar experience to you guys that bolted the gate in the 80s when Pipes of Peace and his duets with Jacko came out. When I finally got the cd, I still didn't give it its dues. Skipped so many of the songs. It wasn't til a couple of years ago I decided to go back and re-evaluate. I still think it's far from his strongest, but at least I can listen to those ballads like Little Willow and somedays and not cringe thinking "oh dear this old fogey should be put out to pasture". Instead I think of it as an addition to the likes of One Of These Days or Mother Nature's Son. I used to cringe listening to Used To Be Bad, Really Love you and even The World Tonight and think they weren't even good enough to be Off The Ground outtakes, let alone fit on what is supposed to be Paul's grand 'comeback' album. I still don't think they would be anywhere good enough to be considered for a Wings album, but I'm not so harsh. I can live with them!

Overall, I think it's an average album, but there are some ok tracks sprinkled here and there. Beautiful Night with ringo is an awesome song. Souvenir grew on me, as has Heaven On A Sunday. Flaming Pie (the title track) was and still is the only track I thrash on repeat over and over - it's a top quality rocker. By far, the title track is my fave on the album. I still remember when he played it on Oprah... I was like "go Macca!" Just like these days, we go "go Tom Cruise" ...hehe!  rainbowbounce
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« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2007, 06:57:30 PM »

i think i like this album considerably more than you do. matter of fact...the only song i can do without is young boy (if it weren't for this song, i could say with all honesty that i have never seen an episode of oprah...damnit paul, why man, why?) and really love you (which gets a partial pass from me for being cowritten by mr starkey.)

maybe it was a time and place sort of thing for me. but i have nothing but fond memories of this album. i love souvenir (father of gratitude, if anyone's asking). it opens strong with songs we were singing. goes into the slightly rockish the world tonight. i even enjoy the paul/steve miller collab if you wanna (nice lead guitar). the ballads are good with little willow and calico sky. there isn't a sappy song on this album. you can't say that about all of paul's albums. i  like the faux bluesy romp used to be bad, which is so raw (and early in the recording sessions)...both paul and steve sang from the same microphone. thats the way he used to do it...paul might be saying in an interview somewhere...when i was in...

i think this album began paul's resurgence into the higher quality albums we have been used to. not sure if he's had a stinker since this one. he made this when his longtime wife was dying from cancer i believe. he's always responded well, from an artistic standpoint, to tragedy. its a shame it took a horribly sad occasion to get him to start taking his music seriously again. 
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« Reply #3 on: October 02, 2007, 10:11:04 PM »

It seems to me, with a few exceptions, Macca will find a 'formula' that works, that fans like, and he will make albums in that vein and each one is slightly less gratifying than the last...until he's jolted into a change of direction by some force or event. He may just want to take a different approach for all I know. After "Band" we got "Venus", "SOS" and "Londontown"...each vaguely similar in many ways, but mostly lesser albums. After "Tug" we got "Pipes" and "Give My Regards". After "Flowers" we got "Off" and "Flaming Pie"....becomes a pattern for the lad.

There are always transitional albums in there, of course, and what I said IS a sweeping generalisation...

To my ears, "Pie" is a good bit better than "Off"...but is cut from the same comfy cloth, although this one feels more personal. That's mostly because he plays so many of the instruments himself...personal faves on "Pie" would include: The Song We Were Singing, Somedays, Calico Skies, Flaming Pie, Souvenir, Little Willow and the wonderful Beautiful Night. And not that all the rest are awful, but these are on a par with album tracks on Paulie's other fine work. I do agree with Chris that this album doesn't have a sappy song on it, and maybe that's why I seem to like it on the balance.
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« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2007, 10:14:23 AM »

I hear ya... it's like Paul has a 'sine wave' of album greatness that comes and goes - like predicting earthquakes! I wonder how many though would've predicted 2 great albums in a row - Chaos and Memory - at the age of 60+ ..still putting out wonderful music. Yeah I was far too harsh on Flaming Pie when it came out. I know the error of my ways now!  cheeks
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