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Author Topic: Beatles Covers vs. Dylan Covers  (Read 300 times)
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« on: November 26, 2007, 04:39:23 PM »

An article sure to be open for opinions...

http://www.boston.com/ae/music/articles/2007/11/25/his_songs_are_open_to_interpretation/
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« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2007, 07:44:18 PM »

I think the best point the article makes is that the Beatles authored the definitive version of each of their tunes, that to cover them you can't stray very far from the original. Dylan songs tend to be more or less open to interpretation, and somehow folks aren't upset when you go in a radically different direction with them.
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« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2007, 08:29:49 PM »

i agree wholeheartedly with the article. when it comes to beatle songs...they seemed to do them better than anyone else was able to. i am unable to tell you why. sure, i am biased...but the fact remains...they do the definitive versions...of their own songs.

dylan, on the other hand...has always laid the blueprint for a song's arrangement...and allowed the cover artist to translate it as they saw fit. when hendrix redid all along the watchtower...dylan heard it and immediately started doing his own song the way hendrix did it. why is this so? again...i am unable to say why. but i can point out what is...and what is not...

i don't think either artist should be ashamed of what is happening. there is no shame in cover artists doing a better rendition of your song...or cover artists being unable to do a song as well as you.

people have always asked me what it was about the beatles that i found appealing. there certainly were bands with better musicians, able to solo all day long. but i always point out, quite plainly...that they had written the best songs. the answer is so simple...that it till this day goes over some people's heads.
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« Reply #3 on: November 28, 2007, 11:19:25 AM »

Great topic, let's compare and contrast the two artists to answer the question - I have had theories on this from the 60's.

In addition to the excellent points made in the other posts, consider:

THE WRTERS:
Even in the Beatles late days, the principal writer would present and perform his composition to the "committee" - the other Beatles.  They, then helped refine, finish or add bits to the song, via the playing-pre-recording and recording process.  So even the most singular Beatle song had the group imput.  THEY interpreted the song BEFORE it was fully born.  So, an artist, is actually attempting to interpret the imput of four musicians, not one - when they attempt a Beatle song.  The best results have been by artists who have not attempted to interpret a Beatle song, but already have their own distinct style and simply sing the same lyrics, but the music is not.  Example: Joe Cocker's WALHFMF and Richie Haven's HCTS - those cats could recite "Happy Birthday" and it'll have their stamp on it.  Not so, most other artists.
All of the above is even more true, for their early-mid compositions, which were even more collaberative.
Dylan was interpreting Woody Guthrie, Pete Seeger, Phil Ochs and other folk illuminaries with his own lyrics, songs, but the style, spirit and intent already existed and he was building and expanding on that. In fact, Dylan often changes his own songs, live in concert, creating different versions of the same song.  He does not "finish" a song and preserve it.  Beatles were not interpreting, they were creating-  having ASSIMULATED many of their inspirational artists - to then create a  new sound and mixture of music, the whole being greater than the assembled influences, added-up seperately. The Beatles -  and John, George , Paul and Ringo Concerts preserved "the song" with little or no improvisation.


THE VOICES: You can't top the Beatles, individual, harmony, counter-harmony, duet, multi-tracked voices - whatever.  Again, the best and really only way to "interpret" their songs, is to sing them in your own voice and style, as noted above and, say Emmylou Harris' cover of HT+E.  Dylan offers vast opportunities for covers, as noted in other posts and specifically, in this chapter his voice.  He is almost reading his own poetry, so a musical voice is offering something new to the song in a "cover" version.  (Too many examples to list here.)  Let's use Mr. Tambourine Man as an example with Dylan, you add the Byrds' voices, harmonies, interpretive phrasings, multi-instrumentations, 12- string Rickenbacker, 6--string, tambourine, bass and drums.  IF the Beatles had written this, they would have ALREADY provided all of the above elements the Byrds ultimately added.  They were a group, Dylan was not.  They were singers, he was not, he did "sing" in a poetry - later "rock' voice, but not in a musical way.

THE LYRICS: Dylan's are brilliant, complex and evoke many interpretations.  The Beatles had elements of
all those in their lyrics, but their lyrics were more specific, finite and part of the music, they wrote in musical language, primarily, not in word-thought sketches.  Once again, more elements to play with for an artist in the Dylan song, than the Beatles one.  The beginning of a Beatles' song sketch or  demo, left the others to chip in with the lyrics, linguistically shape the words to the music and add or subtract a lyric here or there - The Beatles interpreted the songs of John Lennon, Paul McCartney and George Harrison.  The band process was  different.  When Dylan, occassionally wrote with others in a "band" -style experience, the songs were better defined.  Example: Writing some lyrics for the Byrds "Easy Rider", "If Not For You" with George Harrison, those songs are better defined.

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« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2007, 07:41:47 PM »

very nicely said, sir p-dubs.
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« Reply #5 on: December 05, 2007, 05:07:59 PM »

sorry guys...I made my first documented "boo boo" here...I realize when I "read "cover" again here you meant song covers (or remakes)..and like a dummy I thought you meant album covers (as in album jackets)--I was too eager to state my favorites BEFORE I read the other posts smileys7 (note to self : dont jump the gun, chum)

(guys, just COMPLETELY IGNORE my earlier post laugh)

and now to answer the CORRECT question,

I have to admit I always thought the Byrds & Peter, Paul And Mary did the best cover versions of Dylan songs...(although PP&M tend to homoginize their stuff--although not in an unpleasant way), and I find that what McGuinn and the Byrds did to "Chimes of Freedom", for example or the even more well known "Mr. Tamborine Man" only enhanced these compositions w/ their signature 12-string sound and the impeccable harmonies of McGuinn, Gene Clark & David Crosby.  I also loved The Turtle's cover of "It Aint Me Babe"--Howard Kaylen's voice has long been undervalued in my opinion. Just because they were thought to be a trite, mid-60's "pop" band--I think the nucleus of the Turtles own "Flo & Eddie" were vastly talented. I'm pretty nostalgic about them. In the end though,  I most like Dylan's own gritty interpretations of his self-penned material because WHO ELSE sounds like THAT guy?

as for Fab covers...I'm hard pressed to think of any I found memorable except for (now dont laugh now u guys) Sergio Mendes and Brazil '66 cover of "Fool On The Hill"--I found it kind of airy (in a cool way) Of course Macca's original on Magical Mystery Tour is the best (naturally), the Mendes version had that unique (and unexpected) Latin take on this McCartney evergreen. It seemed a strange incongruity at first to incorporate a bossa nova flavor to a Beatle classic like this but...heck, it kinda worked!
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« Reply #6 on: December 05, 2007, 05:48:29 PM »

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sorry guys...I made my first documented "boo boo" here

No worries, MMM....and I thought your comparisons of the album covers from these two iconic musical forces to be well considered and thoughtfully written....however misplaced they might have been.  wink
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« Reply #7 on: December 05, 2007, 06:03:04 PM »

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sorry guys...I made my first documented "boo boo" here

No worries, MMM....and I thought your comparisons of the album covers from these two iconic musical forces to be well considered and thoughtfully written....however misplaced they might have been.  wink

HAHAHA thx, Merv...you're a born diplomatic and a pretty cool guy to be so understanding towards my ridiculous mistake ..(I'll say "misplaced !!" laugh)

Kevin M. (aka, MMM)
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