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« on: August 28, 2009, 02:02:15 AM »


For simplicity and conveniance, I thought it'd be nice to post your reviews of the new Beatle Re-master releases here - all in one thread.

Just list the individual CD being reviewed, then your review.  If doing more than one, just list them in order of review.
(The whole Box?)! Just list in order, 1, 2, 3....

One at a time?

Just list it.  When you review your 2nd, etc, just put you review as a reply to this thread so it all hangs together, all right, you know what I mean! (lol)



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« Reply #1 on: August 28, 2009, 06:17:45 AM »

I have preordered mine with mightyape.co.nz, will get it on the day of release 9.9.09.

But it's been annoying me, reading the Amazon 'reviewers' continually moaning about the lack of mono.. some going as far as saying "its pointless listening to Beatle albums prior to Abbey Road in stereo because George Martin and Geoff Emerick always intended the listener to hear it in mono" - ummmmm Sgt Pepper included?????  0124-worried

Don't these numbskulls realise that if they are so intent on hearing their Beatle recordings come from one direction, one speaker, they can buy the 'Beatles In Mono' box, which is coming out at the same time!?!?! smileys7 Personally I wouldn't touch The Beatles in Mono with a barge pole. If I want to hear them in mono, I'll flip the switch on the amp/speaker to mono!! Who in their right mind wants to hear these sounds coming from one speaker? Wouldn't you rather be surrounded by the band coming at you left-and-right? That's exactly what I LOVE about the Beatle recordings - the way they were produced in stereo, and when they were released on cd first time round, I felt very short-changed, ripped off that I was forced to buy them in mono.

This new Stereo box set is the thing I've been waiting for, for years. And because of the restoration technology involved, this will be an even bigger event than when the 'Beatles Box' on record was released. I know there will be controversy over the 'loudness debate' and rumour has it the Box Set will be affected - but I don't mind this, I love it loud, I love it hot - and the louder it is on my Ipod.. the better! :) I'm sure they won't make it so loud / compressed that the music will distort. Hopefully they've worked some real magic with those master tapes.
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« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2009, 07:34:23 AM »

However, after reading this article - http://gizmodo.com/5216258/sorry-stereo-but-beatles-in-mono-rocks-a-lot-more - I am considering rethinking my position! idea
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« Reply #3 on: August 28, 2009, 08:13:40 AM »

That was ..err...interesting? I don't know Kyle..this guy downloading Mp3's off the internet and then comparing it to the stereo versions is..well...kind of pointless. I'm not saying he was totally off base or anything. All my Beatle stereo cd's are almost worthless to listen too...there is so much missing....channels too low. I mean on my Revolver...you can barely hear anything in the left channel. So he is correct about the stereo sound on the cd's. I do think we will have to wait for the official released box sets to make any kind sense out of the mono stereo debate.

My OLD scratched albums DO sound better than any CD I have ever bought though. beer
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« Reply #4 on: August 29, 2009, 07:51:31 PM »

I know, I know.. the vinyls sound so much better than ANY of the cds released to date.

Hey, even Macca agrees with my stance (re. stereo vs mono).. here's a recent interview with him, talking mainly about the Rock Band Beatles game but they ask him what he thinks about the remastered series - http://www.gameinformer.com/News/Story/200908/N09.0818.1727.50056.htm?Page=2

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PM: It's nearer to the actual sound in the room when we made the record. It actually sounds like John is there singing, and I can see the mic, and I can relive the experience. So can fans, is the main thing. When people say, “It was originally made in mono, you should have kept it like that,” I say, “well go buy the mono, it's still available, you can buy it if that's what you want.”

It's got me very excited. Paul is saying in the interview that he actually feels like he is at the session when he hears these new remasters, and that when it was remastered for cd first time 'round, the main objective was to 'get rid of the hiss' but the technology also stripped away much of the character of the recordings.

And I read the Uncut review on the internet where they talk about the 'loudness' and it seems that the recordings sound fine - not too loud - they actually did a brilliant job. - http://www.uncut.co.uk/news/the_beatles/news/13552

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The key word is clarity. Not loudness. Clarity. The voices and instruments are crystal clear, pure, human, natural (except, of course, when filtered through psychedelic effects) and stripped of several decades’ worth of detritus and dust. It’s as if we’ve been visiting an art gallery to gaze in wonder at a masterpiece all these years, and then suddenly an attendant comes along with a sponge and wipes the painting from top to bottom. The techniques of mastering have been controversial in recent years, with accusations (and proof, indeed) that music is being ‘brickwalled’: compressed to headache-inducing levels in order to give albums an ersatz loudness. Had these CDs come out in 1999 or 2000, as many of us were hollering for them to do, it’s likely they would now need remastering again.

It’s a weird thing to say, but Apple’s frustrating procrastination has turned out to be a lifesaver for these albums. Remastered by a small team of Abbey Road engineers over a four-year period, the CDs have not been brickwalled or over-compressed (unlike the 2000 compilation 1, which sounds unpleasantly ‘glassy’ in comparison), and nor do they even sound particularly loud (unless you turn them up). The two that have been restored to the point of miraculousness and beyond, The White Album and Abbey Road, are the ones I’d recommend first to people on limited budgets. Abbey Road’s Long Medley is simply a breathtaking musical tapestry. When it has to rock, it rocks. When it needs to be subtle (there is much more to the transition between “You Never Give Your Money” and “Sun King” than we previously thought), it has a warm, heavenly glow.

Of course, one could argue that any old rubbish would sound impressive on Abbey Road’s state-of-the-art, quintessentially expensive speakers. Perhaps we should all calm down a bit, chum. Will your so-called ‘clarity’ be detectable on a normal, high-street CD player, or on an iPod? It should, and it will. It’s not a question of surreptitious noise removal, or peak elimination, or making Magical Mystery Tour sound like Metallica (thank God). Think of it more as a spring-clean for the music and the mind. Changes in texture, atmosphere, the relationship of The Beatles’ voices to the microphone: all of these are evident and undeniable. As a result, almost every album comes as a shock. They haven’t had plastic surgery. They’ve taken their masks off, and we didn’t even know they were wearing one.

This is what we've been waiting for! Simply cannot wait! beer
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« Reply #5 on: August 29, 2009, 07:55:48 PM »

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Hehe....we are brilliant aren't we?  laughing
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« Reply #6 on: August 29, 2009, 11:48:23 PM »


Thanks folks for the very interesting information, so far.

I may change my mind a 1,000,000 X more, as the information and reviews unfold - BUT, right now, I'm thinking I'll start with a mono pre-Pepper album and a Pepper -forward stereo one.  My guess is mono will be better for pre-Pepper and stereo better for Pepper forward.

Right now, my 1st two out of the gate will be: White-stereo, Rubber Soul-mono. 0160-dance 0161-ninja
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« Reply #7 on: September 01, 2009, 07:50:46 PM »

I am undecided as to which CD package I'll get (stereo or mono)...finances at the moment dictate NONE! :)

After listening to some of the Sgt. Pepper mono cuts available on Youtube, I am convinced that the mono mix is not just punchier, but actually different. I had a girlfriend in high school who was given a vinyl copy of "Pepper"....all I'd ever had was a stereo cassette. We were convinced she'd gotten some rare copy or something because it was different in many noticeable ways....turns out, it was an original mono album.
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« Reply #8 on: September 02, 2009, 04:22:42 AM »


Pepper may be one to get in both formats!

I have read similar reports as your on the huge difference in the Mono Pepper - and now how the re-mastered STEREO Pepper makes some of it a 3 dimensional sound.

Are the mono Pepper clips on youtube the re-mastered ones? or previously released mono?
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« Reply #9 on: September 02, 2009, 08:06:35 AM »

They are previously released....the guy's name is TheOneBeatle, I think....check them out!
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« Reply #10 on: September 02, 2009, 05:35:23 PM »

i think i'll get Sgt. Pepper in mono first...i've never heard it that way.
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« Reply #11 on: September 04, 2009, 10:26:42 PM »

http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Music/09/04/beatles.999/index.html

http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/music/chi-0906-beatles-fanssep06,0,3187397.story

Nice articles!
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« Reply #12 on: September 06, 2009, 07:41:59 AM »

I don´t think I´ll get the remastered Cd´s. Might change my mind though.
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« Reply #13 on: September 07, 2009, 01:13:19 AM »

Well I just found a link to the leaked mono remasters, in lossless FLAC format, so I decided to download the mono Pepper to see what all the fuss is about.

While there are some differences, I guess there's only so much you can do with 4 tracks of faders to provide a vastly different mix. The one track that did stand out for me, was the Sgt Pepper reprise version - it really is 'punchier' than the regular stereo version, with drums at the forefront of the mix and lots of crowd noise being faded in and out, with Paul jabbering away at the end of it. I think the mono worked best on the more elegant songs like She's Leaving Home and When I'm 64, but other tracks like Kite, Fixing A Hole, Lucy in the Sky etc, still sound really good. Overall though I think I would prefer a stereo mix, oh well not long before it comes out for real and I'll have the cds rather than mucking around with lossless FLAC leaks.

Interesting thing about that Chicago Tribune article, sounds like some of the 65-era stuff didn't sound so good in stereo as it did in mono - lots of reverb and weird stuff applied that makes it sound more 'digital' - I wonder if it has anything to do with them choosing to use George Martin's 1987 remixes for the basis of Help and Rubber Soul rather than use the actual 1965 stereo masters? Oddly enough, they put the original '65 mixes as bonus tracks on the MONO editions!! I don't get that at all. There was nothing at all wrong with the stereo mixes on the original vinyl editions - why not just use / remaster those? Perhaps it will be worth getting the mono Help and Rubber Soul - if only to get the stereo versions of those albums (oxymoronic as it sounds)?



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« Reply #14 on: September 08, 2009, 10:53:32 PM »

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/showbiz/2009/09/08/boulden.uk.updating.the.beatles.cnn

Neat video with interviews with some of the principle people involved in the remaster project...
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