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« on: September 12, 2009, 02:56:45 PM »

...or does it sound like(from all the reviews I have read) that the MONO remasters are the way to go?  crazy
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« Reply #1 on: September 12, 2009, 03:46:23 PM »

I'm going that way, I think...
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« Reply #2 on: September 12, 2009, 04:34:28 PM »

Not that there is anything wrong going both ways. wink laughing
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« Reply #3 on: September 12, 2009, 11:26:57 PM »

Been downloading some of the mono remasters to see what the fuss is about, and yeah they're good. But I don't understand the prejudices against the stereo versions - particularly hard-panned vocals. That's how we were brought up listening to The Beatles on the original vinyl.. the red and blue albums - all hard-panned - for most people this is the 'sound' of The Beatles. So why now are there legions of fans suddenly disliking the stereo mixes? I think they sound fine.
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« Reply #4 on: September 13, 2009, 12:45:58 AM »

Are the Red and Blue albums original vinyl though Kyle? I have never heard them since I have all the songs on the original original vinyl. I have no idea if they tweeked them or not for that pressing. But I do understand what they are complaining about. Every Beatle CD I own just doesn't sound right. It is kinda cool sliding the left/right channel bar over to one side and only hearing half the recording though. I was mentioning the other day to Merv that on my CD of Revolver....at the end of Rigby....when Paul is singing...All the lonely people...and in the other channel...he is also singing...ahhhhhhhh look at all the lonely....that part is equal in volume on my vinyl...on the cd...you can barely hear the Ahhh...look at all the lonely. It was really kind of a shock when I first heard that.....and I am glad to hear that the mono version of the remaster has brought them equally back again.
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« Reply #5 on: September 13, 2009, 04:16:21 AM »

I'm pretty sure when they (the red + blue) were released back in 1973 they were from the original stereo master tapes - no remixing or anything like that (though the cd versions I think were a bit different). I don't believe in tampering with the original mixes too much - just want them as close to the original as possible. But anything they can do to make things clearer / stand out is always great!
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« Reply #6 on: September 13, 2009, 11:34:33 AM »

Mono or stereo, stereo or mono. they'll be remastered again before i can afford them anyway!  wink
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« Reply #7 on: September 13, 2009, 02:31:46 PM »

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I'm pretty sure when they (the red + blue) were released back in 1973 they were from the original stereo master tapes

I think you are correct on that, Kyle...however, most of the tunes, especially those on the Red Album, were released in mono on their original album, whichever one they came from. So most of us old fogies heard these songs in mono the first time around....ok, ok, I'm not that old, but that may explain a bit of the grousing of which you speak.
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« Reply #8 on: September 13, 2009, 05:05:19 PM »

So most of us old fogies heard these songs in mono the first time around....

aren't we about the same age?
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« Reply #9 on: September 13, 2009, 05:06:05 PM »

Yes, ma'am, we are!
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« Reply #10 on: September 13, 2009, 05:43:32 PM »

i know...i was just passive-aggressively bristling at "old fogies"...hahahaha...

they asked today during service for all of the "young people" to raise their hands...so I did...til my friend glared me into putting it down (oh, i knew what they meant...i was just having a teensy bit of a laugh). I mean...they didnt say: everyone under 30 did they?? I feel like a young person, so, you know :D
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« Reply #11 on: September 13, 2009, 08:36:23 PM »

Ok so I listened to the mono Please Please Me remaster vs the stereo version, and it occurred to me that George Martin intended to use the 2-track to simply adjust the volume level of the vocals when doing the mono mixdown - which is exactly what you get with the mono version. It's just like flicking a switch to 'mono' on your amplifier and maybe a little fiddle with the balance knob.

There seems to be more 'life' in the recording hearing the vocals separated and off to one side. To me, it's boring hearing it all come from one direction. Unless the mix has something different like an extra instrument bit mixed in that you don't normally hear in the stereo version, I don't really see the attraction to the mono.

Or maybe I'm the prejudiced one? Convince me!  crazy
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« Reply #12 on: September 13, 2009, 08:42:36 PM »

I think you are......and for this purpose, that's great! hehehehehe

Really....to me, it's what your ears like. We Beatles fans have a great many choices, eh?
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« Reply #13 on: September 13, 2009, 11:59:32 PM »


Lampie, may you stay forever young! angel

Mono vs. Stereo;

I'm thinking pretty much like Kyle on this one.
Here's the deal, in addition to what he said:

I DID grow up on the mono 45's, heard them played on radios from 2x2 inch transister radio speakers, to  6X9 speakers mounted in the middle of a car dashboard, heard them booming from big speakers at the bottom of a Wurlitzer Juke Box at the park, bowling alley.  heard them over drive-in speakers mounted on your car window , facing into the car. (A Hard Day's Night).
Heard them over "Hi-fidelity (2) speakers in the home.  They all sounded great, because they were the Beatles!

When stereo came out, the spacing really opened up the music and, the Beatles took note in the studio.

In the middle of the Hard Day's Night booklet included in the remaster is a 2 page shot of them recording in Abbey Road.  They are set up, spaced -out, like they are performing to an audiance.  An accurate reproduction of the sound would also have the seperateness and spacing - of course with a common middle.  The clearer, stronger bass and drums of the remasters serves as that solid middle - this is why the 87's didn't work, they lacked in bass/drum sound.

With the stereo remasters, in the car and the home, the sounds mix from each side to deliver magic.  With head-phones or ear buds, there may be too much seperateness on a track here or there, mostly in the 1st or second album.

Running with headphones today, showed ,most of the time the sound was positioned to be seemingly streaming from both eyes and my nose - perfect.  A couple early tracks were too far apart, and only in my ears.  I do have about 3 Monos, as a result of the Past Master remaster and they sound good, better than the several poor early stereo songs but not as good as good stereo remaster songs.  From I Want To Hold Your Hand, onward, I think the stereo ones are as good (or better) -  it then becomes  a matter of opinion or preference.

I am interested in a couple monos because they are different enough sounding, Sgt. Pepper for example.

RED ALBUM: I recall, had  2 or 3 monos, but were mostly "stereo," varied from US VS. Brittish versions, I think the method and invention of "stereo" sound was quite varied, as well.

Anyway I am impossibly pleased with how great the remasters are.  I read some of the stuff on some of the other websites and the people are so "nerdy" about the technology part of this, it's as if they are talking about a cure for cancer.

Great discussion! beer
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« Reply #14 on: September 26, 2009, 09:51:11 AM »



THIS is a good place for MONO remasters discussions.
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